Baby Toy Pictures: Helen & Isabella Babytoy.html Babytoysearch.html Toy.html Toys.html For the last week, my husband Mel & I have been in California. We rented a U-Haul trailer to transport some cabinets to our house in Indio, CA. Everything went well on the way down. We left to return home Sunday at noon and put all of our stuff in the trailer so we would have more room in the car. Being the country bumpkins that we are, we didn't lock the trailer. We stopped in Santa Nella to eat dinner at Pea Soup Andersen's and spend the night at the Holiday Inn. While we slept, some %&$*#@^ #$$%&*@ stole all of our stuff! We lost all of our favorite clothes. We had winter and summer clothes. Mel lost some beautiful silk Tommy Bahama shirts I had given him for Christmas last year. I lost ALL of my shorts, best sweat shirts, cargo pants, etc. Sadly, we also lost t-shirts we bought at the Galapagos National Park (we will never return to replace them). Nothing was extremely valuable but they were all irreplaceable:( They also took our cooler with 10 pounds of organic turkey necks as well as 10 pounds of mixed ground dog food for the trip. Worst loss of all was my agility bag! I adored that bag. It was given to me by Julie Borst and had agility Poodles on it. Inside my treasured bag were all of Isabella's brushes, my favorite comb with swiveling teeth, their royal jeweled collars, my clickers, leashes, 1 pound of my favorite spice, zataar, I get in Ashland, Oregon and the greatest disaster of all, Millie's toy, Chippy, and Isabella's love of her life, her Baby Toy! I haven't told her Baby Toy is missing and don't know where to find another. We have a trial this weekend and I don't have her ultimate reward, BABY TOY! Isabella played in the sprinklers before we left so now she looks like Bob Marley and I don't even have a brush to fix her. I am so angry. I am grieving over the loss of my wonderful sweat shirts and familiar comfortable clothing and irreplaceable treasures. This has been a horrendous year for us. I realize this robbery isn't the end of the world and things could be a lot worse but after everything else that has happened to us this year, I just feel like I am being gummed to death by a duck:( Helen & The Violated Royal Naked And Hungry Jility Girls     Thank you to everyone who wrote to me! The offers to replace Baby Toy and Chippy and even my favorite spice (zataar) were wonderful! There was even a generous offer for a t-shirt! I truly am touched by all of you wonderful people! The great news is that evidently, my husband packed the agility bag under a bunch of stuff in our car. He said he looked in the car for it but you know how men look for things (no offense to the men on the list!)! I should have looked myself. When we got home this evening, he unpacked the car and found my wonderful Poodle agility bag! It was so great to have it and its contents! Now Isabella has her Baby Toy, Millie has Chippy and I have my favorite bag and spice back! I still have no clothes:( I hate clothes shopping. I think I would like to rent a UHAUL and put food in the back that I lace with X-LAX! That would be great! We did report it to the police but I don't hold much hope:( We won't report it to the insurance company. After our disastrous broken faucet flood in March, we are lucky the insurance company didn't cancel us. I have heard that that practice isn't uncommon. I guess we just eat the loss of our stuff rather than risk losing our home owners insurance:( Helen & The We Are Sure Glad Dad Hid Our Toys So The Thieves Really Didn't Rip Off Baby Toy And Chippy But We Wish They Got Those Dang Brushes Royal Jility Girlz   Well, I don't know what is going on but Isabella's Baby Toy is missing again! We had her at the trial in Bend last weekend and I went to train yesterday and couldn't find her. I searched again today and no Baby Toy!!! This is bad. I tried to get her to play with Chippy but she just looked at me with ?? in her eyes :( I went online to look for another and looked at every single plush toy I could find. No Baby Toy :(((( Here a link to her photo (she also grunted). If anyone has seen these toys or knows where I can find one, please, please, please let me know! I got the original at Petsmart. http://www.trainagility.com/Toys.html I think we must have left her at the trial last weekend. Helen & The One Very Sad Royal Jility Girlz   By now, some of you may be thinking I am a crisis junkie. Well, quite honestly, I am beginning to think the same thing myself, especially after the year we have had! Baby Toy has been returned for ransom. Steve was right! I shouldn't have put up her photo on my website!!! Actually, somebody whose initials are Mel King, put her up on a hook in the hallway (sheepish grin) and we have walked by her hanging there for days!!! It stinks getting old :( So, if you see an exact match to Isabella's Baby Toy, please let me know. I would like to buy a couple extras to have when we go senile again. Thanks to everyone for your help!!! Isabella really appreciates it too. Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz   Due to health problems (permanent laryngitis), Isabella's Baby Toy was forced to retire from the agility training ring. Her health had been failing for some time and she continually became disoriented and, consequently, would often get lost. Unfortunately, she also lost her voice from all of her yelling for help. We are pleased to announce that she was bred (yes, all testing was done and she passed everything with flying colors!) to a wonderful stud toy and recently gave birth to identical QUADRUPLETS!!!! We will be breeding her again to a stud toy of a different color and expect other colors in her next litter. We will keep you posted. Meanwhile, Isabella is in LOVE with the new Baby Toys which we have planned to keep for future generations. I will have to send their pedigree to Kathy Foran for scrutiny as I expect their COI to be quite high. We feel it is worth the risk, however, as the resulting Baby Toys are cookie cutter images of their near perfect dam. Evidently, it is Baby Toy's voice that was so fascinating to Isabella.  She has a new interest in training now that Baby Toy is once again vocalizing her pleasure with grunts in being constantly bitten and chewed. If you go to http://www.trainagility.com/Babytoy.html  you can see these amazing quadruplet's for yourself. Because they are so rare, if we do ever decide to sell a few, they will command a ridiculously high price tag! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz And Baby Toyz www.trainagility.com PS We won't give up a pick Baby Toy for a stud fee either! Replies   I LOVE IT........... this gave me a laugh that I needed.  Please send me the directions on breeding Baby Toy's.  I must try this myself. Ann Ann Addison Argenta Toy Poodles Columbia, South Carolina canicheaa@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Helen The baby Baby Toys are adorable, but I can't stand it any more I gotta ask....................WHAT is the black rectangle in the crotch area? Lol Could we be put on the baby Baby Toy waiting list?  This is really quiche's kind of toy!  We would need two as i think Baby Toys should not be separated from their litter mates too early.  Karen & quiche ttfn   Answer HI Karen, That is Baby Toy's umbilical bandage :) It's a tag! I think I am going to carry them on my website. I really love them and so does Isabella. She was so happy Baby Toy made noise again! Helen   ROFLOL!!!! What a beautiful litter! I'm sure that Isabella is pleased with her breeding program, and will carefully socialize and train them. Perhaps you will bring them to PCA next year so we can all see them run agility! Caroline   Dear Helen, So I'm shopping with Beth Harris and Patty Mouthrop in Pleasanton and all of the sudden Beth races towards a basket of toys at a vendor's booth - "THAT'S Baby Toy!" she exclaims with delight. The manufacturer should give you a job in marketing!  A jog that involves going to as many agility trials as possible, putting you and the girlz in the most posh accommodations, and paying you scads of money.... I am, however, reminded of the characters in "Best in Show" with the Weimeraners... ;-) glad Isabella is once again being treated in the royal fashion she deserves! take care -- Lisa Greene, Josephine, and Flynn http://home.earthlink.net/~lisagreene/   Hi Helen, I loved the photo of the quads. Upon close scrutiny I noticed that you  will be easily able to tell them apart by their markings. I actually saw one at Petsmart, here in the northern wastelands (Ottawa), and Baby Toy was green not red. Must be another blood line. ...or perhaps a geographic variation due to latitude, the length of days, amount of sunlight, etc.? Leslie, Pippin, (I'm 5 now, we had cake and presents!)Kelty Answer We will be breeding to the yellow stud toy next season. We will be expecting fuchsias, yellows and greens. I am not sure about how these colors are passed on. I am not sure anyone is at this time. We need a Baby Toy data base! It seems the two diseases most often found in BTs are permanent laryngitis and dementia which cause BT to wander off and get lost. Helen & The Girlz   Helen Helen Helen --  You are a *case* ! I think we're going to have to cross the Rockies just to meet you ! However, if I remember correctly the "case of the missing Baby Toy" events of the last few weeks, I think you'll be lucky if someone doesn't bring suit against you and Mel on behalf of Baby Toy (for abuse).   She was stuffed under the seat in a van and left outside subject to extreme temperatures and prey for kidnappers; then, she was hung on hook on the wall (medieval-style torture) for days on end.   Now, she's being summarily "retired" which, I think at her age, might be a violation of some employment law.  I mean, come on, let go because she has laryngitis and then immediately replaced by 4 younger employees ! ? That's classic corporate America tactic.  I'm really disappointed because I thought you were so kind a symathetic. <G> If you would have told me about her condition, I could have sent you a few of the grunt voice boxes which you could have transplanted into BabyToy. No, they're not obtained illegally, I've "harvested" them from toys here which were killed in unfortunate accidents and saved them in case a transplant was needed. Sure, Helen, you can share [my post] with whomever you wish. Glad you and Mel got a laugh. Once Baby Toy's lawyers get through with you, you might not feel like laughing ! <G> To add insult to injury, I've just read the post that you intend to exploit the new BabyToys, too !  Yikes.  This is distressing.  How could I have been duped for so long ? K D&G      Helen,  Love the photo!!  she passed everything with flying colors!) to a wonderful stud toy and  recently gave birth to identical QUADRUPLETS!!!!  We will be breeding her again to a stud toy of a different color and  expect  other colors in her next litter. We will keep you posted.  So there is a fig leaf covering all the "parts".  Did she have an all-bitch litter???  Names??  BT1 and BT2 ??  Don't keep us in suspense???  Deb  Rillapudel@prodigy.net   Answer Hi Deb, Those are not fig leaves, those are bandages to prevent umbilical hernias :) They are ALL named Baby Toy! Just like George Forman's sons who are all named George! Helen & The BTz & RJGz      I was so sorry to hear about the illness and retirement of Baby Toy,  after such an illustrious career in the agility ring.  If Isabella is  anything like Electra, you will have to do something which may be  distasteful to you before introducing one of the quadruplets as a  replacement.  You may avert your head while you do this, and it will  work even if it is not witnessed by you.  You have to rub the retired  Baby Toy against one of its offspring, to transfer the "essence" of  Isabella from one to the other.  While it may look like they are  having sex, I can assure you that they are not.  good luck with the  transfer of power.  I absolutely *loved* your post.  Congratulations on your large toy "litter".  I'm sure you can get a high price for them.  Susan  Susan Fleisher                slf373@earthlink.net  Berkeley, CA   Answer Thanks for the advice Susan! Great news!!! Today we trained with the new and quite vocal Baby Toy! WOWOWOWOWOW!!!! The screaming, grunting Baby Toy mad a HUGE difference! I had an even BIGGER tiger on my hands. I know, some are thinking I started the new Baby Toy too young and she won't hold up. Well, tough. I plan to exploit the heck out of each and every Baby Toy, then breed the livin crap out of them! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz       Okay, Helen, I thought this might happen. I had planned to keep Baby Toy's plight private -- hoping to shame you and Mel into considering/re-considering your treatment of Baby Toy.  Baby Toy really doesn't want to cause you ant trouble BUT now that you've 'leaked' her position (albeit with our blessing), we're already getting advice and offers of assistance. First, the abuse charge is an open-and-shut case.  We have it 'on tape' in your own words that she was stuffed under the car seat and hung on a hook on the wall. Second, she has a "very strong" case for wrongful termination and age-discrimination, again based on your own words.  Although her lawyers admit that they have not previously dealt with a case in which the newer-younger replacements were brought in because they "grunt better", they feel the case has as much merit as those where the replacements were more attractive. Finally, something which hadn't occurred to BT and me, is that she should be filing a worker's compensation claim because her laryngitis is a work-related injury which prevents her from doing her work.    Of course, we'll have to look into disability benefits also. You know what happens when the press gets hold of something like this.  We expect to be hearing from 60 Minutes, 48 Hours, Dateline ...  Then we'll see if you and Mel are still laughing !  <G> I suppose we'll learn that Baby Toy, who gave you the best years of her life, has now been relegated to solitary confinement in a dark box or closet.  Probably, she'll be left alone in Oregon when you take her quads with you to California. K D&G   Answer Well Kathy, this could get UGLY! Although true that BT gave us the best few months of her life, she is a total ingrate! I bathed her, housed her and took her on long trips to see the world BUT... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! NO VOICE! NO CHOICE! Baby Toy is OUTTA HERE! Last night, I placed her in a home with Isabella's niece (her human brother's daughter, Ede the Pit Bull aka Poopie Puppy)! So, now I suppose you and your bleeding heart liberal do gooders will want to get me for using her as bait for a Pit? PROVE IT! I bet there isn't a SHRED (no pun intended) of evidence left to prove ANYTHING! Before getting rid of (oops, I mean placing) BT, we froze her eggs for future exploitation! So HUH! Come and get us if you can! The worst that could happen would be AKC will suspend us from competition for a while. It's too darn cold anyway to go to agility trials right now. Take your best shot! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz With LOTS And LOTS Of Baby Toys www.trainagility.com     Please do not worry about the possibility of Baby Toy  following through on any litigation against you.  It has been my experience that in the final analysis DOGS do not want to take their people to court.  Sison, a retired Seeing Eye Dog, lives with us and once during his active years leading a blind person, someone mentioned to him that he was not given fair working hours and time off.  In fact, the WAGE AND HOUR  (feds!) were notified and it was discovered that  he had a solid case.  However, ole Sis did not want to take his person through all of that and said that he FREELY gave his time.  Even when he was called to duty in the middle of the night, worked every weekend and worked every holiday.....he said that he could catch naps at odd hours and that he did not SUFFER for lack of rest or care. Sis said that a 40 hour work week doesn't apply to Seeing Eye dogs and so maybe the rigors of being a Baby Toy are all part of the job description and are not open for scrutiny. Now I know that Sis is an exceptional dog....very discerning and reasonable.....but I do believe that it is because he is a dog that he forgave any and all infractions of the law. After all, Baby Toy, like Sison, would have to PRESS charges and it seems to me that she doesn't have enough weight to press anything.  Be strong and don't worry. Sherry Darcy, 10 year old sp ("I would never take Mommy to court.") Sison, 12 year old Black Lab, retired Seeing Eye Dog ("Live and let live.....that's my motto")   Answer Thank you Sherry. That is comforting. Besides, Baby Toy would have to find somebody who will to take her case on for free and I don't think that is going to happen IS IT KATHY (remember, I have a PIT BULL in the family!)! Helen & The Sweet Little Royal Jility Girlz     I think we need to take up a collection to pay for Baby toy's legal fees!  I'll start with $5.00! :-) Patti & Hershey   Answer Heck, for that much, I'll GIVE you BT (what's left of her:)! But, the whole thing is heating up on PSG! They are going to lynch me I am afraid! Helen & The Girlz     How nice to see a bunch of list members being extremely silly.... Kathleen, you are being "silly", right?? Steve & Woola   Answer Steve, I think it's very "serious"  now they must add "abandonment" and "mental cruelty" in additition to the age discrimination, injury on the job, disability, torture, inhumane (or is it intoy?) treatment.  Not to mention the public humilition of being misplaced twice.  Poor poor Baby Toy, now she's part of a toy mill!!!! Deb Rillapudel@prodigy.net   Reply Just try to PROVE IT! ;) Helen   Dear PSGers;   I have laughed and laughed during the commentaries back and forth about Baby Toy!  It is wonderful to see the creativity and just plain silliness with something so simple and doesn't include cursing or sex!  It takes intelligence and wit to write such hilarious answers.  I am looking for a smaller version for my TOY BABY, Ebony. Keep up the great work in all areas! Sincerely, Rena and lovely little Ebony     PCLU (Poodle Civil LIberties Union) has been asked to take a case against Helen on behalf of Baby Toy.  It seems that her Civil Liberties have been denied due process.  After all - was she allowed to express her dismay on her treatment - I think not.  A Guardian Ad Lietem (sp?) has been appointed for her.   We need a psychiatrist to testify of the cruel and unusual treatment she received as well as her tender self estem at being replaced so quickly. ann Ann Addison Argenta Toy Poodles Columbia, South Carolina canicheaa@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Answer You'll have to get Baby Toy away from the Pit Bull First! Here is a photo of the Pit Bull, Poopie Puppy. As you can see, she is already a jail bird and won't care if she gets busted again! http://trainagility.com/emailpoopiejailbird.jpg She's got you Guardian Ad Whatever right here! Helen & The Girlz The Toys And The Poopie   This is great ad hominem stuff! I've been trying to muster up the energy, as promised, to present an example of the classic brake to ad hominem attack, which is (1) identification of the tactic and (2) cool dismissal thenceforward. Caroline said she was game--it was worth a try--and I hope she hasn't been holding her breath because I've been very remiss. Our reason for planning to put on this show was, although PSGers are evidently now able to recognize ad hominem attack (which wasn't the case when we started our demos--then, it seemed as if fully half of PSG had never served on their high school debate team and we know that's not true), a high proportion don't yet know the classic method of dealing with it (or we wouldn't have experienced the melee we did a few weeks ago, red herrings zipping around all over the place, and all the Pudelhunds in full cry in 100 different directions, mostly mistaken). Here's a short-cut: Well Kathy, this could get UGLY! Although true that BT gave us the best few months of her life, she is a total ingrate! I bathed her, housed her and took her on long trips to see the world BUT... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! NO VOICE! NO COICE! Baby Toy is OUTTA HERE! Last night, I placed her in a home with Isabella's niece (her human brother's daughter, Ede the Pit Bull aka Poopie Puppy)! So, now I suppose you and your bleeding heart liberal do gooders will want to get me for using her as bait for a Pit? PROVE IT! I bet there isn't a SHRED (no pun intended) of evidence left to prove ANYTHING! Before getting rid of (oops, I mean placing) BT, we froze her eggs for future exploitation! So HUH! Come and get us if you can! The worst that could happen would be AKC will suspend us from competition for a while. It's too darn cold anyway to go to agility trials right now. Take your best shot! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz With LOTS And LOTS Of Baby Toys www.trainagility.com Okay, Helen, I thought this might happen. I had planned to keep Baby Toy's plight private -- hoping to shame you and Mel into considering/re-considering your treatment of Baby Toy. Baby Toy really doesn't want to cause you ant trouble BUT now that you've 'leaked' her position (albeit with our blessing), we're already getting advice and offers of assistance. First, the abuse charge is an open-and-shut case. We have it 'on tape' in your own words that she was stuffed under the car seat and hung on a hook on the wall. Second, she has a "very strong" case for wrongful termination and age-discrimination, again based on your own words. Although her lawyers admit that they have not previously dealt with a case in which the newer-younger replacements were brought in because they "grunt better", they feel the case has as much merit as those where the replacements were more attractive. Finally, something which hadn't occurred to BT and me, is that she should be filing a worker's compensation claim because her laryngitis is a work-related injury which prevents her from doing her work. Of course, we'll have to look into disability benefits also. You know what happens when the press gets hold of something like this. We expect to be hearing from 60 Minutes, 48 Hours, Dateline ... Then we'll see if you and Mel are still laughing ! <G> I suppose we'll learn that Baby Toy, who gave you the best years of her life, has now been relegated to solitary confinement in a dark box or closet. Probably, she'll be left alone in Oregon when you take her quads with you to California. K D&G This is a far better ad hominemish exchange than any Caroline and I put forward over the years (uh... I hope you agree, Caroline). We hope it continues--it's witty, funny! Thank you, Kathy and Helen, for the fun! AND I'd like to point out that if either wishes to stop on a dime, even though neither has a leg to stand on when it comes to honest discussion, the classic way to do this is for one to identify that the other is indulging in ad hominem attack, and subsequently cease discussion--or coolly disregard. Of course, if I was the other, and had even one red blood cell floating in my veins, would remark that the first had ALSO indulged in ad hominem attack, and thenceforward turn up MY nose. The best defence is offence, said Napoleon, although from him that seems like a big fat excuse for invading Russia. In this case, the best defence is identification of the ad hominem tactic, and not to address ad hominem further. --Emily Poodle History Project (annotated bibliography) http://www.poodlehistory.org   Answer << This is a far better ad hominemish exchange than any Caroline and I put forward over the years (uh... I hope you agree, Caroline).  >> Absolutely!! And it is funny as all get out too. I have laughed until my sides hurt. (Emily, I have been so busy lately, that I had forgotten all about our proposed demonstration.....Now it has been done for us! <G> ) Caroline     Oh, Pleeeease, Pleeeese don't let my poodles know about this!  I have been keeping Baby Toy's plight away from them lest they take action against me for re-homing their favorite, Bunji-Toy.  If they knew where Bunji-Toy was, I am sure they would encourage her to act; in spite of her being one-eared, no eyed, stinky, and wounded in the side with inadequate stitches that left a nasty scar. Of course, maybe she would sue Tigger, since it was Tig who chewed off, then swallowed whole, one of Bunji-Toy's ears to keep the other poos from getting it. And as these things go, if the poos find out the PCLU exists, not only will I have to deal with problems over Bunji-Toy, I will have to deal with all sorts of other complaints; the lack of a sufficient supply of treats; the need to go outside to potty when it is raining, since we humans don't; the lack of 24 hour petting and stroking servies; and most of all, why there are never enough tennis balls and frisbees to go around. Baby Toy, see what you have started! Irma   Answer But Irma, did you get frozen eggs before "placing" Bunji-Toy? That's ALL that counts! EXPLOIT EXPLOIT EXPLOIT! And proud of it! Helen & The Exploited Everythings Reply to answer I didn't get frozen eggs, but I have some "hairs" I can use for DNA.....That way we can try cloning. Irma Answer I should have thought about that! Helen & The Girlie Girlz More from Irma Now, be careful about this; I don't want to end up being a material witness!  Kathryn, you did not see this post, OK? Irma   Ann ~ Since her name is Baby Toy, I am assuming she is a minor. While I am not a psychiatrist, I am a professional social worker with experience and training in child welfare, particularly in matters of neglect and abuse. I will be happy to interview Baby Toy (we may need an ASL interpreter, since I understand that Baby Toy is no longer able to vocalize), conduct an investigation of her home of origin, and prepare a study of her prospective adoptive home. While this won't help much with PCLU's case (they deal with Constitutional issues, I believe), it will certainly be useful for any abuse/neglect hearing held to determine whether it is in Baby Toy's best interest to have Helen's custody of her legally terminated. I note that Helen has not been terribly concerned about the possibility of legal proceedings related to her care and custody of Baby Toy. She apparently doesn't understand that if her home is found unfit for Baby Toy, it is likely that it will also be found unfit for Baby Toy's infant quadruplets. (Chew on *that*, Helen!) Kathryn Foran WINDFALL kafor@snip.net http://www.geocities.com/windfallsp/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AgilityPoodle   Answer Yeah but did you do her COI? How am I gonna make a killing without knowing her COI? Helen & The You'll NEVER Get My Baby Toy Away From Me Royal Jility Girlz   Reply to answer Helen ~ I will be adding your query, which demonstrates your interest in exploiting Baby Toy, to your file. (Boy, are *you* gettin' in trouble!) Kathryn Foran WINDFALL kafor@snip.net http://www.geocities.com/windfallsp/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AgilityPoodle     ROFLOLWMP!!! It's all about You, isn't it Helen? that poor baby toy :(   Answer ALWAYS!!!   Well, I for one, have been emotionally traumatized by the whole thing. I would like a couple million for my pain and suffering.   Answer Well, when I make billions selling BT's offspring, take a number and stand in line! Helen & The Exploited Everythings   Ladies and Gentlemen: Quiche & I would like to offer Bunji-Toy a trip to "Momma's Poodle Toy Hospital". As this qualifies as a humanitarian situation, all services will be provided free of charge to Bunji-Toy and her family. Our staff is Board Certified in Poodle Toy Repairs and has successfully treated Bearaplegic, Steggie's Tail, Bunny Ears and performed microsurgery and re-attached Jingle Duck's bell.  The llama's screamer was replaced and Singing Bear now plays "Mary Had A Little Lamb" Please note that body appendages retrieved from Poodle butts cannot be saved. Please contact our Scheduling Momma for an appointment. Karen & Quiche ttfn   Answer Dear Karen, Now that is very generous of you. But.... If you repair them, how on earth am I going to make billions EXPLOITING AND SELLING them???? Geesh! DO GOODER!!! Helen & The Can We Ship All Of Our Dissected Toyz Too Cause Our Mom Is Mean And Stupid And Won't Fix Them Royal Jility Girlz   I have been out job hunting...and every day I come back home to hear how the law suit is going!!!  HeHeHoHo!!  This whole thread is adorable, funny and inventive!!  Thanks for the cheering up! Betty and the Dejavus ===== Betty Nathanson Dejavu Standard Poodles Warrenton, VA 20187 540-351-0777   >I note that Helen has not been terribly concerned about the possibility of >legal proceedings related to her care and custody of Baby Toy. She >apparently doesn't understand that if her home is found unfit for Baby Toy, >it is likely that it will also be found unfit for Baby Toy's infant >quadruplets. (Chew on *that*, Helen!)>   Helen can't respond.  Her mouth is full. Susan -- Susan Fleisher                slf373@earthlink.net Berkeley, CA   Answer OH! I GET IT SUSAN!!! It took me a while, "chew on that"..."mouth full." I assume that is what you meant. I have been feeling guilty about NOT staying on my diet and I thought you had a webcam or something watching me stuff my face with pesto toast! Helen & The Girlz & Toyz & Stuff   Response Helen, Please send recipe for pesto toast! Charolett   Answer Buy bread, put it in the toaster to toast, take out the tub of pesto you bought at the supermarket, when toast is done, spread pesto on toast, then eat toast while dogs drool. Helen & The Our Mom Is Selfish With ALL Her Food And Never Shares Royal Jility Girlz   Response Hey, I might be able to make this one!!  What do you use to spread the pesto? Mark "Slightly more generous than Helen with food" Feldman Babette "Last weekend I snagged a piece of toast out of my Grandma's hand when she wasn't looking... it was really funny when she tried to take a bite of air!!" CD MX MXJ   Answer A Spoon of course! Helen & the Drooling Doggies Response Helen, sounds yummy!  wonder if a slice of provolone on top and baked a minute or 2 in the oven would have the royal poos drooling and doing every trick they know to get a slice! I shall experiment with that tonight...Oh NO!  Now PETA will be called because I am guilty of testing on animals.  Shhhhhh. Charolett and the poos   Helen You just take a lesson from Ty Warner, Beanie Baby Magnet and Market Manipulator Extraordinair.  Keep your supply controlled and low.  Use medival threats and restrictions on your distributors.  Appeal to a market with no self control, such as small children or sufferers of MPS. And BINGO, you're rich! Also tell the media that any Baby Toy that is actually used for its intended purpose is tainted and therefore valueless.  Thus owners must have one to "SAVE" and one to play with and you're sold TWO!! Karen & Quiche (i have my own beanies, but i can't play with momma's) ttfn   Answer GREAT ADVICE Karen! Thanks!!! Helen The Hoarder & The My New Baby Toy Is All Dirty Already Cause My Idiot Mom Keeps Throwing Her In The Dirt When We Train Royal Jility Girlz   I am sorry to say that I have just learned of more dirt on Helen...It seems poor Isabella is the cover girl (Miss May 2002) on the on-line calendar and she's NEKID....what next...those poor, poor baby toys... Nancy and Rocco who thought Isabella was HOT! (but the poor guy is neutered...)   Answer All the boys think Isabella is HOT HOT HOT! It doesn't matter if they are tutored or not! Sometimes, we have to leave the dog parks because she is being stalked by some pervert dog! I am dead serious too ( yeah, hard to believe but sometimes I do get serious). I don't know what it is! She has been spayed since a wee pup, no infections, no odors, she is just irresistible I guess. I think she has that aura of STARDOM! Isn't that calendar terrific!!?!?!? Kelly does a wonderful job putting it all together. Thanks Kelly! Helen & The Dirty Girlz     Karen, do you think the Momma's Poodle Toy Hospital can also do an ear transplant?  After we fed Tigger enough salt to make her vomit the ear, it was so yucky, we "humanely" disposed of it.  The ear, that is, not Tigger. By the way, there is an Angel-Toy in residence that needs to be rehomed. It seems that none of the resident poodles like the sound of the carol she plays, and she sits, neglected, in the bottom of the cage......watching all the others being taken out for their exercise and play periods.  What a sad, sad sight...... Irma   Reply Irma I am sure that Momma's Poodle Toy Hospital can do something positive for an ear transplant. Our surgeons would need to know if the ear should match or contrast and any other vital details. We would also be interested in providing a forever home for the singing Angel Toy.  Our resident Exercise Director never met a sound she didn't like. We accept Blue Poodle/Blue Shield, American Poodle Insurance, MetPoodle and all PPOs (Purely Poodle Organizations) Our Appointment Momma is at your service. Karen & Quiche (throw this!) ttfn   Ann...you might be able to get a transplant from one of the "puppies" and help poor BT.......? Betty and the Dejavus --- Ann Addison <canicheaa@earthlink.net> wrote: > The saga of BT has been as much fun as we had very long ago on > the rescue > caper.  How many of you remember the rescue caper. > > Cookie Man.......I think Helen needs cookies for starting this > thread.  She > will, of course, have to promise to rescue BT from the pit > bull she sent her > to and restore her to health.  I am an expert on transplants > (many of you > remember my husband had a heart transplant)  I do have > antirejection > medications around that I can send to BT if needed.  Of course > we need a > perfect 'match'.  Someone has already offered to provide the > transplant if > it matches BT's system. > > If necessary I can give IV's - I've had practice in that too > even though I'm > not a nurse. > > Beasley, Tillie, Max, Maggie and Sally Sue send their love to > Baby Toy. > > ann > Ann Addison > Argenta Toy Poodles > Columbia, South Carolina > canicheaa@earthlink.net > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Well, it is with great hesitation that I post this to this list for fear of retaliation but.... It seems Baby Toy could no longer take the abuse from Ede Peety Poopie Puppy, Isabella's Pit Bull niece where Baby Toy was dumped, I mean placed. Evidently, she suffered a severe Pit Bull attack and stole away in the night! She was last seen at Seattle's Pike Place Market, a favorite hangout for beggars and homeless. Somebody snapped this photo today. http://www.trainagility.com/Babytoysearch.html That toy has not one shred of class in her overstuffed and slightly damaged body!!! Good riddance! She was damaged goods anyway!!! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz www.trainagility.com   Replies Well, it looks like we're going to need crutches and an artificial leg for BT.  Caroline you are the expert on crutches so please send advice for BT/ amm Ann Addison Argenta Toy Poodles Columbia, South Carolina canicheaa@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Answer   And a few stitches I fear. Did you notice BT's arm? It is hanging by a thread. She probably wouldn't go to the hospital for fear of being brought back to Ede Peety Poopie Puppy! Now I suppose she is going to want plastic surgery on the scars! Will it EVER end!!!!??? Oh woes me! Helen & The Girlz   Reply I never want to have anything to do with crutches again! I suggest that Baby toy find a free medical clinic, and then apply for Medicaid. They will pay for an artificial leg, and all necessary physical therapy. She may also be eligible for job training with the state Department of Vocational Rehabilitation. Caroline   Answer So Caroline is that your final IMO? I think we should start up a collection account for Baby Toy. I will be the trustee! So, just send the money to me. Nothing smaller than $100s please! Helen & The Girlz   You are sooooo baaaad!!!  For shame!!! Betty and the daarling complete Dejavu gang   --- BowEchoDogs <Simon@BowEcho.com> wrote: > ROFLOL > I spit my coffee on this one!!! > > > > > However, I hope we've all learned that Helen is a person not > to be toyed > > with ! > > > > Kathy     This thread gets funnier and funnier!!  (I've got to stop drinking coffee when I read it! Betty   sheesh, Helen. there's bad mothers, and then there's bad mothers. That poor baby is in need of medical attention; she's nearly lost her leg because of your neglect. Is there some sort of Toy-Runaway hotline she might call? If that were MY toy, I would be down there with the vagrants, looking for her, not home on the computer gloating. hrrrrmph. > Evidently, she suffered a severe Pit Bull attack and stole away in the > night! > Good riddance! She was damaged goods anyway!!! > Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz   Answer   Why would I go get her? I am trying to get RID of her!!! She was no good to me before, what good will she be now that she has only one leg and one arm is nearly gone? Besides, she's probably gone and gotten herself pregnant to some mutt anyway and I couldn't get a nickel for mutt puppies! UNLESSSSSS?????? RARE, NEVER BEFORE SEEN, NEW BREED!!!! Wait, perhaps I should go find her! I can just see those $$$$$$$$. Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz & Toyz & Stuff & $$$$$$$$     I forgot to mention that Baby Toy should report her dreadful assault by the pit bull to the nearest police department. They probably have a Victim's Assistance volunteer who can help her recover from the trauma, and see that justice is done. Caroline   I fear that Baby Toy has run away and is probably living on the streets of Seattle.  I do hope she is not so desperate that she tries to sell her poor, abused body for licentious purposes!  There must be a television show that deals with this. Alice   Reply My guess is that she's already booked for The Jerry Springer Show. Sounds like it's gonna be a real tear-jerker, too. Sue Ross Renaissance Miniature Poodles Waverly, Indiana   Answer If BT decides to sell her torn and tattered body, I will be there to be her pimp! SHE OWES ME BIG TIME!!! Helen & The Girlz   Sorry to rain on your parade, but I think that the photo has been retouched or otherwise manipulated.  I don't believe that we can accept it as evidence.  It's impossible to know what or whom to believe, now.  Events are moving too quickly and the cruelty and indifference of BT's original (birth?) mother are overwhelming and tragic. Susan -- Susan Fleisher                slf373@earthlink.net Berkeley, CA Answer I don't think so Susan. Didn't you see that the Will Work for Cookies sign she was holding was all runny from the Seattle rain? Who knows where BT will show up next! Helen & The RJGs & BTs & $$$$$     Hey, BT sounds like a great candidate for Karen Korab's Momma's Poodle Toy Hospital.  She takes all the necessary insurance coverages, including all PPO's (Purely Poodle Organizations). And once she receives all the necessary medical attention, perhaps she could co-author a "Mommy, Dearest" type of book about her life with Helen. Imagine - it might make the NY Times book list, or even be on Oprah. Irma   Answer What will I get out of the book? Helen & The RJGs & BTs & $$$$$   Poor Bunji-Toy is in our thoughts and prayers, please keep us informed of her condition Karen & Quiche ttfn   The bad news is that we have now found out that Bunji-Toy has developed pneumonia, due to neglectfully being locked out of the house in the rain for the last two days and nights.  We found her late this afternoon, huddled in a pile of wet leaves; wet, cold, and depressed.  We think Tigger is responsible once again; she was standing over the pile of leaves daring the other two minis and the standard to come near her. She is probably too sick at this point to survive the trip to Momma's Poodle Toy Hospital;  What a mess she is! Irma   Answer Oh WAAAAAA.  Send her to Ede Peety Poopie Puppy, that'll fix her fakin crybaby toy wagon! Helen & The RJGs & BTs & $$$$$   Reply Helen just hasn't been the same since that house fell on her sister. :-p   Answer You know, I can just FEEL the love!!! This is so great! It is just like it was growing up in a family of 6 who all hated the other guy cause they might get more attention! Shrinks say we create what we had as children because that is love to us. I gotta tell you, keep taking your best shots cause the more you throw, the more loved I feel! Helen & The Our Mom Is A Sicko Whacko Royal Jility Girlz   Hey Helen! I can help you sell them!  We can get sympathy by telling people that they are all rescues and we can charge them big bucks and then tell them they can make more big bucks by breeding them!!! What do you think?  Do you want a partner or do you want all the money for yourself ?!?! Sande  ;o)))) HeHeHeHe!!!   Answer What do you think Sande? I want ALL the $$$$ for myself! Thanks anyway! Good idea though!!! Thanks. Helen & The RJGs & BTs & $$$$$   OH, I forgot, with this information on pit bulls we need to get that breed banned so that it can never hurt a baby poodle toy again. Should we go to the AKC and get them to recind all registrations for pit bulls so people will stop breeding them. ann Ann Addison Argenta Toy Poodles Columbia, South Carolina canicheaa@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Answer   POOR POOPIE PUPPY! She was just doin what comes naturally! Helen & The RJGs & TOYs & $$$$   Baby Toy has been invited to go on the Dr. Phil show. It is called "TOYS WHO LOSE THEIR JOBS AND THE PIT BULLS WHO GET THEM AFTERWARDS" CA-CHING! CA-CHING! CA-CHING! Helen & The RJGs & BT       Helen I have a stud-toy that you can borrow for a toy-back, a stud fee, and my pick of your first five litters. He's not EXACTLY the same breed as the BT babies, but as you know, those "rare" exotics are worth a bundle. We can breed him to all of your BTs babies and make a killing. Then you can just breed the offspring to one another, and you'll have the Toy that laid the golden egg, so to speak.   Answer Well, thank you for the offer but I ONLY breed to my own line! I don't believe in outcrossing. Besides, I would NEVER give up pick toy!!! Nice try though. Helen & The RJGs & BTs & $$$$$   Even more overwhelming and tragic is that all you people are blinded to the reality of this SHAM!. You are ALL out of control! Can't you see this nothing but a cheap, attention-getting ploy? The hoax of some sicko degenerate (helen?) playing on your sympathies for a broken toy. Shame on you all for trying to involve the PCLU in this nonsense. don't you think they've got better things to do? Whoever said that would be opening a whole other can of poodle worms was right. DON'T DO IT. And to those who are trying to profit off such selfless agencies as BluePoodle/Blue Shield, API (American Poodle Insurance), Met Poodle, etc., shame shame double and triple shame! Stop tarnishing the poor pit bull's good name. BT's red face is enough to anger anyone. Wake Up! This is a sham! Susan Fleisher is on the right track to point out that the photos aren't even real. Next thing you know we'll be receiving a ransom note and a plea for money. GRAB AHOLD OF YOURSELVES! DON'T BE A VICTIM. gilda, taz & fluffy p.s. What i want to know is who's payroll is the jility girls' mom on?   Answer First of all GILDA, there is nothing CHEAP about this attention getting ploy! I expect to cash in BIG TIME! Secondly, thanks, I hadn't thought of a ransom note! Yeah, that's the ticket! CA-CHING, CA- CHING, CA-CHING!!!! Does Witness Protection Program mean anything to you GILDA? Be careful what you say. Don't you watch "The Sopranos?" Helen & The RJGs & BTs & $$$$$    juvenile here my nefarious duo will make sure she  never street walks again! They are very sad over the  loss of their many fuzzy companions who have been,  shall we say, transplanted all over the house? They  are glad to punish BT for any naughty habits she has  picked up on the streets and one has a raging case of  hormones if BT is so inclined!  An   Answer She should be called Cry Baby Toy! It is about time somebody realized how EVIL Baby Toy has become! If I ever get my hands on her, I will brand a large E on her forehead! She is nothing but a crybaby HUSSY! Helen & The Girlz   Helen I will sugest to tie your baby toys to Isabellas neck so we dont have more escapes, Bitlit. Answer play with her all the time, the shiny would wear off and BT would lose her punch. It is all about EXPLOITATION!!! Helen   Reply I thought you bought 4 didn I hear abou quardruplets? stick them in a basket, and put a lock on it,,then take one out at the time and when not in use between traveling from one show to the other ,since tiying it arround Isabellas neck dont work tie it arround your own,,it will make an interesting neckless ,Bitlit.     you could also kill them all and start to give Isabella treats enstead BG. Bitlit.   Reply Locking up Baby Toys may bring the department of social services into your home.  ann Ann Addison Argenta Toy Poodles Columbia, South Carolina canicheaa@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Answer Excellent ideas Bitlit! I will give them great consideration. I didn't buy them BTW, I bred them! Helen & The Girlz & Toyz & Eggs   You realize, "guys", that new people on this list (newer than me, even) are going to think we're all crazy as loons.  LOL Cassie   Reply LOL not just new commers either! I have been very busy at work for the last week,  I could not read the whole backlog so I just started w/today...Well the first one I read was about Bungy-baby toy being locked out in the rain...It took me 30 seconds to realize this was not a little toy dog but a little dog toy Boy ...you guys can be a little strange LOL Andrea Jack Black SP Eddie Cream SP Pup     You didn't keep your promise to breed Baby Toy to a different color stud. You put her out to pasture.  Shame on You. Now she is homeless and having to fend for herself. ann Ann Addison Argenta Toy Poodles Columbia, South Carolina canicheaa@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Answer Well, I harvested eggs before I placed her! I have GADS and GOBS of eggs!!!! Enough eggs to go around the world a billion times! I gave her an Italian fertility drug! I have five hundred thousand million hundred billion three Hundred and thirty -five trillion and twenty-five eggs! How many is that Bob? A LOT huh? CA-CHING, CA-CHING, CA-CHING!!!!! Helen & The Eggs   Steve, I have heard that Baby Toy is now on the LAM...last seen headed East. Everyone should keep their eyes open for sightings...I heard she was on the back of a motor cycle... Poor, poor Baby Toy... Nancy and Rocco the wonder pup   To be continued&&. Ann Addison wrote:    I am so amazed at the creativity of this wonderful group.  ann  Ann Addison  Argenta Toy Poodles Columbia, South Carolina canicheaa@earthlink.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Answer Ann, I haven't decided - I go from ROFLOL to being rather scared! :-)))) Heidi Bellamy http://www.rosebell.ca   To be continued&&.     WOW! Modern fertility drugs work miracles! The new Baby Toy Litter is here. We have 50 little ones and boy are they gorgeous!!! We fertilized the frozen eggs with the sperm of a different color stud toy and we got a rainbow of colors. Unfortunately, there were no partis in the whole lot :( To see the wee ones just go to www.trainagility.com/Babytoy.html Helen & The Our mom Is A Toy Miller And We Can't Believe All The Baby Toyz We Have Now Royal Jility Girlz   Helen you are one marvelously sick individual! If it wasn't for the fact that I clicked on the "Baby Toy" link and saw you are selling them to fund raise for a good cause I would have described you as an over indulgent Poodle mom! 50 of those little cuties. It must break a certain black SP's heart everytime one of Baby Toy's litter is adopted and sent away to it's new home! Are they hardy enough to withstand the northern climes? We are at -8°C and there's snow on the ground (making leaf raking impossible). And what are the problems I might encounter taking one across the border? Papers are all available and in order I hope? Leslie, Pippin, and Kelty   Answer HI Leslie, Baby Toy is a hardy individual as long as you don't leave her locked in a car for days and hang her out on a hook. She washes well in the washing machine but is prone to voice loss which diminishes her value to Isabella. Her voice is fabulous and really turns on Isabella's prey drive. She proudly carries her around at agility trials tempting other dogs to just try to get her away from her. She thinks EVEYONE wants her BT! It is very cute. She guards the crib constantly with all her Baby Toys. It is very funny. Helen & The Girlz www.trainagility.com   Who said there no parti's in that litter?  They all look like parti's to > me with that pattern in their coat!  Now I suppose she's gonna to market > them as rare and desirable coat variations, like phantoms or brindles > are.  Some breeders will go to ANY length to increase their revenue! > Shame, shame. > > Elizabeth in Iowa   Answer No partis because they have no white! As for marketing them as rare and desirable, that is a given! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz And The Tiger Baby Toys   Helen -- ENOUGH ALREADY !> > As I recall, you had thrown BT to the "wolves" by giving her to a Pit Bull > who subjected her to violent abuse.  She was torn limb-from-limb.> > Now, you say a "litter" has arrived.> > I can only assume that for greed and crass commercialism, you have either:> > 1)  re-captured BT and, despite her mortal wounds, subjected her to > fertilization and pregnancy; or,> > 2)  BRED THE QUADS ! > > WHICH of these 2 equally horrendous acts have you perpetrated ?  Or, is it > *both* ?> > And to top it off, either the gestation period for BT's is extremely short, > or you've administered some sort of hormone to expedite arrival of the > litter.  That would further imperil the baby BTs because they were not > allowed to fully-develop.> > Lastly, it looks to me like you have ALL brindles.  Hopefully, that's in > accordance with the BT breed standard.> > K > D&G   Answer KATHY! HORMONES OF COURSE!!! I told you I was going to do that! They're here, They're rare, Get used to it! I plan to breed as many as I can to cash in on their popularity while it lasts. I suppose some idiot will find a way to keep me from profiting and exploiting the heck out each and every one! Some whiney baby will go crying to AKC and try to get me banned (too cold anyway to compete right now). Well, if they do that, I am going to start my own organization! ABTC (American Baby Toy Club). We will have our own competitions and our own laws! I will decide who will be able to join and who will not. So, if you want in you better be nice to me. Nobody will be allowed to disagree with anything I say or they are OUT! PERIOD!!! (I know some lists like that). Helen & The Girlz With Toyz   Reply Hmmm  I was wondering if Helen had crossed her BT with starfish, and regenerated a new puppy from each piece of BT that was torn limb from limb.  hehehehe     Now THAT is the best idea yet!!! Mel is an engineer, I will have to get him working on that one! Helen & The TOYZZ       At 12:36 PM 11/7/02 -0500, Irma Shanahan wrote: Thanks for doing this, Steve.  Even after surviving the thread, it is  still funny to go back and read it.   Answer Hi Marji, As I said you must direct all comments, complaints, criticisms whatever to the appropriate person.  That appropriate person would be "HELEN KING".... she is the person responsible for the plight of the Baby Toys and all the upheaval on the PSG list.  Good luck... I hear she's a tough person to deal with.  Steve & Woola She gathered all the posts together in one e-mail and that was a tremendous help.   Reply Oh, sure Helen did most of the work. She *enjoys* the notoriety . . . not to  mention the free advertising for her Baby Toy-mill operation. And now she's  duped perfectly respectable people like Steve into aiding and abetting her  nefarious schemes! Where will it end?!  Kathryn Foran WINDFALL kafor@snip.net  http://www.geocities.com/windfallsp/  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AgilityPoodle   Reply I can't get away with a single trick with you can I Kathy? You know, they say it takes one to know one! Think on that!!! Helen & The Girlie Girlz And Toyzy Toyz   Reply Well Steve, it is confusing! Although Helen King is selling these fur babies directly from her web site and through PayPal of all things, BUT ,  she is donating all the funds to an animal shelter. Must be she is a wonderful person instead of what the gossip is! I ordered 5 of these Baby Toys! Marji   Reply Marji, could the money being donated to ease a guilty conscience because Helen knows many of these BT's may end up at a shelter? (I cannot believe how this thread just keeps developing.  Does anyone have any sort of idea what the record is for the longest thread?  We can't say without a flame, considering some of the things Helen has been called) Irma   Reply What conscience? H & The RJGs & BTs   Answer YEAH! I'm nothin but a philanthropist in Wolf's clothing! Helen The Helpful Of All Things Mankind, Dogkind And Toykind   Reply  called me a "perfectly respectable person", but, being "easily duped" and  aiding and abetting nefarious schemes doesn't sound good...maybe I'm reading too much into her post...   Reply Steve, HUSH! I think they are on to us! You can't play innocent any longer! You came to my defense one other time. They are going to remember that and figure out we are in cahoots and really getting rich, rich, rich off these Baby Toyz! When we show up at trials in our million dollar motorhomes bought with all the $$$$ we are making, they will know for sure! Don't say another word. Helen & The $$$$ Golden Baby Toyz     Reply I'm going to be RICH...I'm going to be RICH...I'm going to be RICH... Helen says I'm going to be RICH!!! Steve & Woola   Reply Steve, Only if Woola doesn't eat the cash first.  With her around, you'd have to be rich. Susan-- Susan Fleisher                slf373@earthlink.net Berkeley, CA   Reply  I don't know what to tell you... I've been accused of being easily duped and being involved in aiding and abetting her nefarious schemes and to top it all off I just purchased three Baby Toys  myself... one of each color (didn't want to discriminate).  Let's go with the "Must be she is a wonderful person instead of all the  other gossip".  Steve & Woola   Reply YEAH! That's the ticket Steve! Now your talkin!!! H&RJGs&BTs   More From Marji Yes Steve, I see your point and I'm glad it was you she was talking about and not me because it was hilariously funny!! I laughed out loud at the post! Very good Kathryn! Marji PS: Now the joke is on me as I burned our supper to a crisp!!!   Reply Ohmygod!  She's gotten to Steve for sure now!  I can just see the dollar signs in his eyes! Sande   Helen, As a self admitted TB exploiter, what if any testing have you done on the  sire and dam before breeding this litter?  I understand that laryngitis  is known to have shown up in the dam at quite a young age. And it has  been clearly proven-- thanks to all the gene testing done on BTs at ParU  University --that it is genetically passed on to future generations.   I have also heard some rumors that BT lost a leg and I clearly remember  reading on the Internet that the leg falling off genome is hereditary and  should be tested for by conscientious breeders. There is still debate whether is shows before 3 year tho--so testing really shouldn't be done  before 4 years.  But so many breeders are jumping on the BT popularity  wagon, that if you sell these babies without doing the important testing,  other greedy breeders will use them for breeding and in a few short years  ALL  BTs will have laryngitis and 3 legs.  Do you really want that on  your conscience?  Please Helen, spay and neuter and close down this BT  mill until all the testing is done and your breeding stock has proven  sound  Concerned,  Morgan   (removing tongue from cheek)  & Rain  (giv'me one, I'll test it for toughness) Morgan, All testing WAS done! Baby Toy passed with flying colors! I can tell you if ANY genetic problems crop up at all, they will definitely be the fault of the sire!!! Everyone with bitches KNOWS it is ALWAYS the stud toy that passes on genetic problems and NEVER EVER the dam! Beside, BT lost her leg in a Pit Bull mauling. It was NOT genetic! Her arm, she just tore off for sympathy. I am inbreeding to see if any problems arise. If they do, I'll just kill the bad ones and hope nobody notices. As far as her voice is concerned, she lost it calling for help from the bottom of the car mess and then hanging on a hook. I'll just use the BTs until their voice goes and then just breed me another one to take its place! If I started over with "clean" stock now, what about all my work? All the credit would then go to some other breeder and I could NEVER have that! I want ALL the credit! MY EGO NEEDS ALL THE CREDIT! It isn't about healthy Baby Toys, it is about my legacy! Helen & The Baby Toys Oh Yeah And The Royal Jility Girlz   I wonder if she's going to expand her milling operation into producing  Chippies, then other poor helpless plush toys.  In addition to Steve, she's  also taken in those nice people at her local shelter by *pretending* to  benefit them through the proceeds of her BT mill.  Just wait until the  abandoned BTs begin showing up at their doorstep.....   I can't believe that a vegan would have so little respect for the lives  of innocent plush toys :-(  Sadly,  Constance  Constance Mood  Image Collection  Fisher Fine Arts Library  215-898-7086   Answer CONSTANCE CONSTANCE CONSTANCE! Firstly, I have NO intention of expanding my Toy operation! I plan to breed ONLY Baby Toys. Why mess with success?! Secondly, Baby Toys will never end up at the shelter! People will just throw them in the trash! So, that's the beauty of my breed they're awesome, then toss 'em! Thirdly, I am vegan for my health. I don't give a rat's rip about lives or anything else for that matter except ME! Respectfully, Helen & The Exploited    Well Steve, it's a good thing that you have plenty of web space for this  thread!  Now the question is, can you afford the time off from work needed  to continue updating the website?  I'll bet that Helen won't help at all  with the support of your family and poor little Woola really will have to go work!  Looks like Helen will just keep spreading the badness around!  Sadly,  Sande  :o(   Reply You are all giving Steve ideas! QUIT IT! How am I going to keep him on my side? Helen & The Rest     questionnaire or anything like that so she is just selling them to anyone  that comes along. There was not a spay/neuter contract either. There goes  the wonderful person idea! Margie   Answer All Baby Toys leave her SPAYED AND NEUTERED (unisex)! So, don't even think about breeding them. Helen & The Tutored   Reply You just don't want any competition, isn't that right?    Susan Giordano Somerville MA   Answer Now you understand! US   large dose of one of the fertility drugs.  She must have one real worn out study toy.  ann  Ann Addison  Argenta Toy Poodles  Columbia, South Carolina  canicheaa@earthlink.net  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9366   Answer LOTS of drugs! As for the sire? He is a VERY happy stud toy :) Helen & The Girlz & Toyz   Reply I'm so disappointed....Helen, you've turned into one of those Toy Mill backyard breeders.  I am ashamed of you <VBG> Loni    tired and frankly worn out, on my door step earlier this week...Yes, the  poor little toy, mute and with dried slobber still on her, arrived seeking a  safe haven...For now, we are trying to rehabilitate her with TLC and  devotion.  She seems to scream out in her dreams, but her squeaker is so  destroyed that we can't make out what she is actually saying...something  about baby toy mills, mean ole Helen...and a motorcycle gang...poor, poor  baby toy....I will send some pictures to be posted soon, but for now she  just needs rest, lots and lots of rest...  If you can provide safe haven for her later on let me know as she will be  riding the PSG circuit looking for safe haven from people who know how to  take care of a Baby Toy...It may take a while for her to get to everyone who  wants her, but I think we can restore her faith in humanity by extending  some TLC...You will need to send pictures of her adventures with you and  attach a memento of your visit together to her before sending her on to the  NEXT helpful lister....  A waiting list is already forming... Nancy and Rocco the Wonder Pup and POOR, POOR Baby Toy   Answer Oh WAAAAA Oh WAAAA Oh WAAAA. Don't let her fool you! That ingrate hussy probably sold herself all the way across the country! I bet she enjoyed those bikers too! It is also probably a good thing her voice is gone so you don't hear what she is yelling out! Sure, now she's living the good life, going from place to place mooching like Kato Kalin. Just watch out, if you need her to testify on your behalf don't trust her 'cause just like Kato, she'll turn on you! Just ask OJ about that! Helen & The We Don't Need No Stinkin Original Baby Toy Royal Jility Girlz   Reply Nancy, if you think I am providing a SAFE HAVEN for that ungrateful wretch of a toy, guess again!  I agree with Helen - she was provided everything she needed, and look at the mess she has poor Helen in now! Here she would just get into cahoots with and corrupt Bungi-Toy, who is still trying to recuperate from her last escapade....I can't take a chance on Bungi-Toy and Baby-Toy mating.....they'd drum me out of the local poodle club and blackball me!     Hi Helen, Well the hype was too much for me. I bought two Baby Toys (Green and the original Cherry) and I am having them imported into Canada. When you establish the ABTC I'll open the Canadian (CBTC) chapter. Now I'm interested to know what sexes the 2 Baby Toys will be. As they mature quickly and reproduce like rabbits will I have ten or twenty waiting for me when I go to pick them up? (I may have some trouble explaining that to the cutoms person at the border!) Or Do I have to sign a non-breeding agreement when I get them and then I'll need an ILP # from the ABTC? Leslie, Pippin, and Kelty   Reply First Leslie, I would like to congratulate you on you great taste in toys! Baby Toys are unisex but ALL are spayed AND neutered before leaving so no worries about "ACCIDENTS" as these closely related breedings are sometimes called. I am the only one in the ABTC allowed any "ACCIDENTS!" Hopefully, the Border Patrol will recognize the that Baby Toy is ROYALTY and treat her with kid gloves. ALL Baby Toys come with Registration numbers AND instructions! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz www.trainagility.com     I shouldn't read the list at work! I just read the ALL of the Baby Toy Chronicles thus far and someone mentioned not reading them while drinking coffee. Well, I was glad I wasn't drinking as I would have been snorting caffeine-free diet coke out of my nose! What may go some way towards reconciling me with dealing with an unscrupulous purveyor of Baby Toys is that all toys in my household die of old age and are loved to death. Pippin and Kelty have never removed even so much as an ear from any toy. So, actually, I am rescuing my 2 Baby Toys and providing them with a loving home. As they are red and green and Pippin's litter had a nautical naming theme I will name them Baby Toy Port and Baby Toy Starboard. Leslie, Pipin, and Kelty     Reply  Now why would you want to register your toys with the American and  Canadian Belgian Tervuren Clubs????  <VBG>  Loni  Dylan Demon Poodle  Wizard...Tervuren Terrific   Reply OHOH. I didn't think of that! Perhaps I will have to change it to TRBTC (The Royal Baby Toy Club) Helen & The Thinking On It Royal Jility Girlz     Reply sometimes Baby Toy sounds like a Bull Terrier  (VBG) especially the one that started all the commotion by disappearing!!!! Deb Rillapudel @prodigy.net   Answer It is now OFFICIALLY THE ROYAL BABY TOY SOCIETY! RBTS       Poor little baby toy and mean old mercenary Helen, corrupter of Steve!  I volunteer to help BT any way I can! Sande   ;o(     Steve s Contest!   I'd probably say;  "My web site is about all my dogs and cats that I have  had over the years and it includes my first Standard Poodle Natty Bumppo and my current female Standard Poodle Woola of Barsoom   Reply Hi Steve. Now I know were I saw the name Woola before!You are a science fiction addict!!!!!!!!!LOL. Jeannette Hagen the Netherlands http://fauntleroypoodles.homestead.com   Answer Hi Jeannette, Congratulations....You are the first person I know of who has recognized that Woola comes from a Science Fiction story... for your bonus prize of the day can you tell me who the Author is and what Science Fiction series Woola is named from? Steve & Woola  (I hate to put any pressure on you but if you get this right I'll see about getting a Baby Toys mailed to you!!)   Reply Same guy who wrote Tarzan.Edgar Rice Burroughs(hope I spelled that right!) Jeannette Hagen the Netherlands http://fauntleroypoodles.homestead.com   Answer Jeannette, Correct, Edgar Rice Burroughs is the author...now to get that extremely valuable Baby Toy bonus gift, what's the name of the Science Fiction Series where Woola appears? Steve & Woola   Reply Reply In whelp, probably. Susan-- Susan Fleisher                slf373@earthlink.net Berkeley, CA Answer No Susan! They are ALL spayed AND neutered! Helen & The Girlz   Reply Princess from Mars?It's some time ago since a read it. Jeannette Hagen the Netherlands http://fauntleroypoodles.homestead.com   Answer Jeannette,  You already answered my question... correct, Woola first appears in the  Princess of Mars, the first book of the Martian Series... I'll send you a  Baby Toy gift.... Helen, are there any Baby Toys left?  Steve & Woola  (What's your mailing address so I can get you your bonus  prize!!)   Reply If Jeannette gets this one right, she'll receive a BT in whelp and three BT babies also in whelp.  Steve stops at nothing to get to the truth. Susan-- Susan Fleisher                slf373@earthlink.net Berkeley, CA   Answer Again! NO BTs IN WHELP!!!! All are SPAYED AND NEUTERED! Pay attention here! Helen The Greedy & The Things   Answer Steve, there are only a few Baby Toys left (pinks are all gone) BUT! A new litter is due next week! We expect 50 more and LOTS of pinks in this litter! Helen & The Royal Jility Girlz www.trainagility.com . Replies Helen!!!! How many litters are you having?????  This must be the record for toy puppy mills. Irma   Answer As many as it takes of course! Helen The Greedy & The Girlz & Toyz Baby Toy Go To Europe!   I just purchased your Baby Toys on-line.... I asked Helen if there is any problem sending them over seas.  Hopefully we won't run into any quarantine problems in customs.  You'll have to ask Helen about the Baby Toy export pedigree... I'm sure she'll be able to answer all your questions. Let me know when the little guys arrive.  Steve & Woola   Answer Wow Steve,I am delighted!I hope you do understand that you will have to get me an exportpedigree!I'd love a pink one!We already have a big white baby toy,so I can breed them.I hope this is a complete outcross.(That will bring down the COI.) There are two other Dutch poodle girls on lurkmode on PSG.I hope they will read this. Hey ladies,eat your heart out!I'm getting a baby-toy!!!!!!!! Jeannette Hagen Rijndijk 239 A 2394CD Hazerswoude-Rijndijk the Netherlands http://fauntleroypoodles.homestead.com   Suckers Testimonials  entire litter! I love the Certificate of Authenticity from the Royal Baby  Toy  Society! Does this also mean I am a member of this Royal Society, Helen??  It sounds so fancy!  I will save Jon Jon's BT until we are out of the horse manure training barn.  One baby toy will go to a pair of Pomeranians we have to re-home as their  mother had to go into the nursing home. The rest I'll save for my crew at  Christmas, I think!  Marji & Jon Jon  www.cloudspinpoodles.com   I received my two Baby Toys in the mail  today -- a green one and an orange one.  Surprisingly, ZZ (who is afraid of red toys) loved the orange one, and Bonnie took the green.  There is an odd, repetitive grunting noise going on in the office right now, together with sounds of laughter from customers, with each dog trying to out-grunt the other!  The laughing is at ZZ, as her mouth always looks funny with a toy in it -- floppy lips and all you know ! I can vouch for the fact that neither BT is in whelp, or at least if they are, it is doubtful that the baby BTs would make it with the pounding they are taking at this moment in time! Sande   ;o)))   EVERYONE WANTS TO CASH IN! AND THE SHAMELESS GREED CONTINUES!   Helen, This is the last day to place your PSG ornament order with Poodle Graffiti http://www.poodle.org/shop/ornaments/index.html, now I have a little time to talk to you about merchandizing accessories and novelties for BT. I am frankly surprised you have not marketed BT Christmas ornaments, blankets, soap dishes, and let us not forget BT's wardrobe. Since you have obviously overlooked this (Barbie is a obscene piece of plastic without her accessories) Poodle Graffiti would like to purchase franchise rights to all the BT accessories (you keep breeding and get rid of the Steve guy) and I will jet off to Hong Kong and become rich, oh I mean I will be happy to set up the jobbers all on the backs of those BT's. Actually Helen, if I take this off shore I do not need you for anything, I will have my bucks before the attorneys can get started so plan to receive very little. Right now since the discussions has been PhD's I can offer degrees for BT's from Poo U, pedigrees, registration papers.  Next week we will have roller blades, plastic cars and houses.  The caboodle of Poodles are now going to look at beach property in Malibu. Pat on the Central Coast of California Checked with Dean Mr. Shade, M.D.'s are not available from Poo U. Sorry. Pat   Answer Now, THAT is a SPLENDID  idea!!!! Who knows, we could have the next pet rock! Helen The Greedy & The Rest Of Them           Reply AHHHHH I have just been asked if I would like to help design clothes for BT?   I said surrre.      SO Helen you are no longer needed!                                               Linda Karr   Reply Hey, can I have the job of doing the two dimensional graphics and ads?  BT can certainly make a contribution to the Shanahan pocketbook. Irma   Reply I'll do the European branch!! Jeannette Hagen the Netherlands http://fauntleroypoodles.homestead.com